Kahles K1050i Field Target - Parallax 8m to 60m (only)

[AdminMASTER]

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Strange about the hype build up on various forums in UK these last 2 years, and sudden silence about the scope from any UK / Europe buyers ; could it be to do with final version being limited to a parallax 8m to 60m ?

Will be good to count the number in use in Wales FT 2017 championship...am wondering if this *may* turn out to be a S&B 12.5-50X56 FT Mk. II debacle... That'd be a shame

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The K 1050i Field Target has been developed to meet highest precision for sport shooting on small targets and short distances. This high grade and equally compact scope offers to the shooter an incomparable experience with regard to its precision. With his special parallax adjustment which focuses from of 8-60 Meter distance and the illuminated reticle in the second focal plane, this rifle scope is perfectly optimized for the Field Target competition.


PRODUCTHIGHLIGHTS

.: Maximum precision for field target competitions
.: Innovative parallax adjustment integrated in the elevation turret (patented)
.: Parallax adjustment from 8m to 60m
.: Illuminated reticle in the second focal plane for a decent picture and maximum precision

Technical Data

Magnification: 10-50
Objective lens diameter: 56 mm
Field of view: 2.9 - 0.6 m/100m
Eye relief: 95 mm
Diopter compensation: +2 / -3.5 dpt
Twilight factor: 23.6 - 52.9 DIN 58388
Impact correction per click: 1/8 MOA
Parallax adjustment: 8 - 60
Adjustment range (E/W): 1.6 / 1.2 m
Tube diameter: 30 mm
Length: 429 mm
Weight: 1040 g
Reticle in focal plane: 2
Illuminated: yes
Warranty: 11 Years

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[NeilM]

Shows how long ago I took those pictures, as the daffodils are in full bloom again now.

I think the reasons the Kahles has not taken off are probably twofold, 1) cautious prospective buyers not being sure about something 'new' and (2) the closeness in price between the Kahles and the 60 mag March. The March has many more owners / fans and is much more of a known product.

I have my own opinions having tested both, and would still be more than happy to bolt a Kahles on my rifle.

[Sven]

I was seriously considering a Kahles, but when I spoke to two users I learned that the range finding is not that snappy at ranges over 45 yards. The Sightron is much easier to find range with. I read the same remarks in the article above.
So I stick to my Sightron, thanks.

[BenGun]

Same as you Sven , I know two people who have said the same as you , and they have taken them off and gone back to their old scopes.
I'll stick to my March and Sightrons.

[AdminMASTER]

By comparing RUAG's 'Recommended Retail Price' of £2373' for the Kahles (and HOW did they ever come up with that number ) ...to the March at £2388 - I can now actually consider buying my first ever 10-60X52 March scope https://shop.marchscopes.co.uk/products ... ifle-scope

What were the marketing guys thinking continuously jacking up the price of the Khales K1050 £pound wise in the UK as far back as 3 years ago ? I recall hearing that the unit was going to be under Euro2000 from Peter at Kahles originally 4 years ago; today Its 10-12%% more in Euro. sticker terms only.... 3 Years back Sterling was high at 1.4 or thereabout...which made the scope a sticker price then of £1379 , or call it £1400. Which sounded like a bloody bargain ! (and I remember planning on buying a truckload )

So 3 years ago (pound was strong) - it was ballpark Euro 2000 / about £1400

Today, Its around Euro 2200/2300 / about £1916 to UK RRP of £2373 - which is roughly £300 to £450 MORE ; actually Its available in UK at £2199 (http://www.uttings.co.uk/p121170-kahles ... fle-scope/) and here at rip off £ pricing > https://www.optics-trade.eu/uk/riflesco ... m_store=us

As a discriminate price sensitive consumer who buys in 'truckload' - am totally tempted by the March ; sorry RUAG , or Kahles - the pricing If it were say at Golden Eagle pricing at around £1.5K , might tempt me to save a £500 over the March. For £500 / £800 pricing differential over the March scopes - I could live with a non snap into focus above 45 yards K1050 - because the price reflects that....

Bottom line ? - Kales K1050i FT - was prematurely over hyped & overpriced. Today's true value of the scope - IMHO is > RRP £1500 (BTW - see this > viewtopic.php?f=187&t=1874 - but this is another issue)

PS: Let's count at 2017 Wales FT champs - how many shooters will be using XYZ brand of scope / kit etc...

Nb: Golden Eagle - to be fair it cant be used in Ft but look at specs, made in Japan and extra goodies - and insane good UK pricing - http://opticswarehouse.co.uk/product/vo ... iflescope/ and
http://www.targetshooter.co.uk/?p=1954

[Jon]

Firstly you don't need a scope to snap in to range find accurately theres an endless list of models being used to great effect that don't outside of plinking.
Testament to that is my prototype March 10-60, with a 103mm wheel 50 to 55 yards was 27mm as good as useless and unnecessary but get constant demand for 5" and even monstrous 6" wheels, ludicrous gaps don't mean a thing apart from differentiating 50, 52 1/2 and 55 whereby easy to differentiate 50 and 52 1/2 = half that 51 1/4 yards easy. Could tell within 1/2 yard how far and didnt snap wish never had sent it back for a ret change and standard focus 2013.
In other words don't believe all the hype.

Kahles looking at the trade price list looks like theres been a substantial price increase since the first FT came out. Know how much the first FT was bought for last year £147 less than current 2016 trade price. Would start with a £2 in front at todays prices, but just imagining what will happen next month with typical annual price increases from that part of Europe. Personally issues aside these need to go out at £1500 -£1750.
Looking at price list theres three prices for K1050 dependant upon ret and whether FT or not.
K10526
K10527
K10563
K10598
K10580 FT The one in last link above black.
K10594 FT Silver

[NeilM]

Nb: Golden Eagle - to be fair it cant be used in Ft but look at specs, made in Japan and extra goodies - and insane good UK pricing

If you can find one they can be used for FT by using a Leupold 50ft adaptor for close ranges.

The only one I know of is currently being loaned by Opticwarehouse to a spring gun shooter called John Farbrother. John shoots in the South West and was one of the winning England spring gun team at last years Worlds (using the Golden Eagle), he is also on the England team for this years worlds. He regularly shoots PCP scores with his springer (as many top springer shooters now do... the swine!).

I looked for the Golden Eagle at the shooting show but the Vortex stand was mayhem every time I visited, so I never got to speak to them about it. I will ask John next weekend as I will see him at a SWEFTA shoot.

[Matt]

As i was involved with the design of the scope i take on board all points raised with the scope.

It's interesting to note that the big thing that ruined the Schmidt and bender was the fact it shifts in temp, unconfirmed by me but passing on what everyone says about the scope, when the march came out it was mentioned it was stable in temp then a few months ago a forum reported how much the march shifted in temp - the ft shooters then started saying it's ok that scopes shift. Reports from Spain, Juan, also south africa, Lauren, are the kahles doesnt shift in high temps and Juan has reported a single shift in low temps.

Yes the scope doesn't snap in and out you just take the front edge of the image when range finding with it, the image when first clear remains clear for a period whilst turning the wheel.

Think the hardest part of working with the trade is designing products on what people want, maybe we focussed too much on the stability of the product, i don't know?

Price wise again i am not privvy to pricing strategies so can't comment really.


Matt

[Jon]

Something out of our control that's pricing from manufacturer and again from distributor.

Since others are slapping serious hikes on scopes take the Sightron S3 illuminated was available for £980 up to fairly recently, with new distributor today that's now £1325 and £1400 for FT that was £1100.
Does this mean its acceptable to chuck an extra 30% on goods across the board.

[poison dwarf]

I have a Golden Eagle, comes down to 11 yds clear with 10 yds slightly blurry. I preferred it to the Sightron which I sold. It seems to suit my eyes better. Snap in seems to be between a sightron and leup. Reticle is nice but a bit thin but saying that I can still see it clearly in the dark bits.

Got mine from http://www.ospreyrifles.com/vortex-gold ... 1467-p.asp and he has stock

Stuck it on top of my Tau and actually managed to win some "mantlepiece clutter"

Just visited his site and noticed price has gone up £200.00 to £1667